I need to clarify something. The last update applies to Skunkworks before I permanently disabled them was June of 2016, before spectre patches were even a thing. So this should shed some light on why we did this test. I thought I mentioned that but I guess I didn’t

For some x99 chips the windows 10 security patch/upgrade for Spectre & Meltdown disabled my bios clock settings, like the settings were there in bios but cpu-z was reporting stock clock speeds. Anyone who is noticing a major slowdown after that update may want to double check and see if their overclock settings are still being applied in Windows. I would buy be surprised to find out that some people suffering huge performance drops are suffering from their CPU running at stock settings.

I am so glad that Corsair went back to their logo and dropped the Tramp Stamp!

i'm still rocking a xeon e3 1230v3 with slight fsb overclocking (103 MHz) with a 4gb gtx960 from gigabyte and corsair vengeance lp 2x 8gb (PC3 12800) at 800mhz 10-10-10-27 xmp 1.3 (1600 in dual channel)

^ I would recommend a full windows re-install if you haven't already done that. Windows is a messy OS which can massively wreck things at times when H/W changes or etc so fresh install fixes most of it.

30fps drop @TheTeaCupKiller? No. Something else is wrong with your system. Spectre patches don't cause that big a performance drop

Jay, I don't see why you would want to do this, but I'll humor you. My PC hardware specs are as follows. CPU: Intel Core i5 750 @ 2.67GHz GPU: AMD Radeon HD 5750 1 GB RAM RAM: 8 GB DDR3 Cooling system: Air cooled I believe those are all the main important factors. (Apologies if not, I'm still a little new to the PC Gaming world.) Note: The game I was trying to play was Dark Souls Remastered. Pre-update I was hitting the 60 FPS mark, in full screen, lowest settings, no problem. Post-update I have to keep all the settings at low, and play in windowed mode. If I don't, my frame rate is literally cut in half to 30 FPS. I'm not going to lie I thought my GPU had more or less died on me. Also, if you do decide to do this I'm very curious as to what your results will be. I think my situation was honestly a fluke. P.S. Thank you for all the advice and work you put into doing your videos. They are very helpful, and very much appreciated.

Cinebench probably doesn't trigger/use the "speculative execution" paths that have the vulnerabilities.

What kind of logitech mouse is he using is it a 502?

what case is that

Lol my physics score on Firestrike is around 4000. Good ole E5800 POS. Can't wait for my X5470

Keyboard enthusiasts lol

Dose anyone know what this Case is please. ?

I haven't checked every comment to see if someone else said so, but the Windows update security patch disables overclocking in at least some Broadwell E chips/boards. The settings will be there in bios, but the actual clock speeds will be stuck at stock.

Can you do a build on the T or E series mainstream processors. Like a power saver build with a low power midrange card with a t series i7 and do a benchmark comparison.

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What size tubing are you using in that rig?

Dude... I’m still rocking an i7-4770K

Guys should I wait for 9000s series cpus for hardware patches to speculative execution? Or no? Does it even matter?

I am looking to buy a powerful duster to clean my pc, and this looks promising!!! Could you please tell me the model and brand? I would really appreciate it. Thank you.

Enough with all this BS about windows 8 and windows 10. Why not talk about a OS that still works great, Windows 7. Windows 8 was a joke and Windows 10 is still full of bugs.

Can someone please explain me how he calculated the percentage between the two scores @ 7:55

I have noticed a Performance lose on my new system and my old gain points in cinebench R15. My 7700k lose almost 40 Points. It running on 4,7Ghz Core and 4,4Ghz Ring. 1080 bevor, 1040 now. I patched both, Bios and Windows 10. The Board is a Msi Z270 Gaming M7. And Bios downgrade dosen't help. My old system also stand for over a year in the corner. The funny Part is, my 3570k gain Points, with the Windows update. Now i have nearly the Points from 200Mhz more. 4,1Ghz 554 Points up to 577 Points. 4,3Ghz 585 Points up to 598 Points, wich is nearly the Points from 4,5Ghz. Board is the Asus P8Z77 V-LX with the newest Bios. I have no idea whats going on. And on both systems, the SpectreMeltdownCheck from ashampoo says its save.

1:55 We have all been there. I love the ray tracing on jays hair.

how do you know it is not just OS difference?

I've noticed a slowdown on my system. I have a i5-6600K at 4.5 GHz with a gtx 1070 and was getting a score around 750 on cinebench and now its just over 600. Also in GTA V at 1440p resolution, i used to get a solid 60 fps in all instances and now it is often in the 50s and dips to the 40s.

Oops...Get over it. Both Amd/intel are garbage now...shitty architecture & now the future of modern hacking has just begun...xD

Holy mother! Blowing that dust inside what looks to be a pretty clean room!

1:06 hehehehhh

Try it with some lowend pc , we eould love to see that

ya its a skunk

I have an i5 6600 and a gtx 1060 6gb and had a 50-60 score drop in cinder bench r15

This digress habbit on every video is pointless and annoying can't you just stop saying it and move on?

these tests should be done on machines that the common family and day to day people use not some pc that only a handfull can afford or dream about and proberly wouldn't be affected like most public pcs would. you need to keep it real and look at it from ordinary people.

Can you do a updated video about how to overclock using MSI Afterburn please, something quick; just go over the general idea. Please, maybe? If you have time, thank you.

nope, it's the perfect outro for your channel ;)

liked for flipping the bird at intel

When ya blow the dust off.......go outside....cos the dust will just go someplace else.|))

I speculate (pun intended) that you did not observe the slowdown caused by the update due to the workflow you tested. Spectre has to do with speculative execution, which as far as I can imagine, Cinebench does not use a branching factor which would expose this feature. I don't know how these programs work under the hood, but I'd think a workflow more like video editing would better showcase this.

where can I buy the dust blower at 1:57??

4790K/Titan XP here, haven't really noticed a difference

Did you update the motherboard.....? And Try a test on a even older mainstream yet popular chip.......4690k or 4790k. I believe there is more of a hit on more mainstream parts. Time to blow the dust off those boxes in the backround. Want specs.....4690k @ 4.3, 16 gigs kingston Fury ram @ 1833 stock timings, 2 XFX R9 290X black editions in cross fire. Stock 1050 core, memory at 1350 oc. Gigabyte z97 gaming 5 board with crucial bx 100 ssd. XFX 1000 watt power supply if it maters.

... Cinebench is like the worst benchmark you can imagine for testing Spectre and Meltdown performance hits. It is a pure mathematical calculation. You wont also have no impact in games, why should you? The hits come where you have I/O operations. My Ivy Bridge ultrabook is garbage now, it is like 60% slower in daily usage, CPU is always 100% in situations like opening Chrome, virus scan ect. This is also why I did no Microcode updates on all my tablets, horrible idea.

She’s one pretty badass pc. My 4930k lost 100 points in cinebench post patches, ohwell and always, great content, Jay 👍

Check old hardware

Gon be saying rtx much soon? Or we'll I guess hair works /game works is the next up

My 3rd gen i5 had a small but noticeable slowdown after the patches. It wasn't a huge difference but you can tell the CPU has lost a bit of it's "snappiness" during CPU heavy activities. Gibson Research (the Spin-Right and Shields-Up guy) has a utility called InSpectre that allows you to disable and enable the patches so you can test the differences.

G4560 + Zotac OC 1050Ti, 8gb hyperX Fury 2133Mhz, 120gb ssd (SP S55) ,1TB WD Purple, Gigabyte B250M-D2V MB, assembled it a year ago, and in last month or two, got 6 -7fps increase in games for some reason, which is good ofc but, what happened there? did the drivers got better or somethin'?

The patch punishment is really noticable on slower mobile processors, like a Microsoft Surface with an i3 processor and only 4bg of ram. Any scenario where the processor peaks combined with the system forced to the swap file due to limited ram sees a very noticable performance hit.

I run an FX 8350 at 4.7Ghz, and Spectre caused nuclear fusion in my CPU core?! Also Meltdown murdered my family? Very dissapointed. Cinebench is unchanged at 750.

Whats that air blowing tiny thing used to clear some dust at the beginning?

Have you updated the bios too? That made a big difference for me.

Have spectre and meltdown been exploited to the wild yet? I still haven't updated my bios and in-spectre shows its vulnerable to spectre.

Wants to see difference in CPU performance. Does bunch of GPU benchmarks. ... X_x

Jay if I understand correctly, the main deficit with Spectre and Meltdown is i/o throughput, you probably should have checked you ssd transfer speeds and iops too. I mean, I get it, the main purpose was to test for deficits in gaming, not necessarily fully benchmark Spectre and Meltdown patches in a deep dive.

On my 8700k I think my cinebench score took more of a hit from a upgraded BIOS revision that had microcode update than from any windows patchs. I'm too lazy to reflash the bios to an older bios that I dont intend to run in the future to prove it so... maybe it did, maybe it didnt. I just know my cinebench score dropped from a repeatable avg of around 1675 to a repeatable avg of around 1610, so about 4% drop..... not horrible.

So noticed a massive difference on my i3 5010u, 8GB laptop

My laptop is a low end one, 3 fps is a lot here

Also, I use a i7 4500u

"alright guys we're gonna go, thanks for this video" , you're welcome Jay!

only 207 intel employees have watched this video so far

Dirty and tight? Now that's my kind of w...computer.

What datavac do you use? I've been looking yours looks beefy big guy. All kidding aside... Any recommendations? I didn't like the one you reviewed it was too small (thats what she said) and it didn't blow enough (thats what he said).

it might be because windows 10 takes more to run like more ram and cpu

Came for the benchmarks, liked for that sweet TTB action... 1:17

4790k took a bit of a hit but it wasn't extremely detrimental to gameplay, although some programs like photoshop seem to be a bit more laggy. Nothing to really complain too much about though.

Noticeable difference in my laptop... it is very old though. i5-2410m.

Please follow up on this with InSpectre and a bios update (If there is one)

What hardware is installed on Skunkworks?

Jayz, try, if possible, to hammer the points that the patches have fixed, for example trying to run run some types of virtualizazion with softwares like VMware or virtualbox; I've noticed massive slowdowns on windows-based vms using VMware on my 6700k system... Thanks for reading and sorry if my English is not perfect :)

Pretty noticeable slow down starting around spectre/meltdown mitigation time. Not sure if it's related, as I kind of mess with my system a bit (Hyper-V and whatnot). Specs: - i5 6600K@Stock - z170 asrock - asus GTX 1070 ROG - 16 GB DDR4@2133Mhz

Intel have become the EA of CPU's - a dishonest, untrustworthy company that I will not give anymore money to.

And you think you are safe by going to AMD? Let me laugh 24/7 about you...xD Sorry to disappoint you: But even Smartphone-processors (yes, ARM Cortex A53 seems to be affected by Spectre now as well, unlike thought in january 2018 first) are affected by this Problem...There aren`t "easy" things or ways you can do or where you can go now.It all comes down to the AI built into These cpus the last 5 years. Hackers simply have learned to predict the result of These ai-circuits. Hackers have learned to use These Features for their own purposes...and the more $HIT AMD/Intel/ARM will be putting into These circuits, the more $HIT is gonna happen from hackers since they will find ways to use it against you.Now it´s too late.

Windows 10 is horrible (ESPECIALLY with the 1803 patch) But seriously... I've never kept Windows 8 on one single computer I've owned. ALWAYS either intentionally downgraded to Win 7 or upgraded instantly to Win 10. I didn't mind Windows 10 pre-1803 but it seems to be getting worse as an OS and not better. @JayzTwoCents - noticed a massive difference on an I5-3340 with GTX 760. So much that I ended up selling the system.

Could you link me to where I can buy that cool little leaf blower?

2500k

I had some slow downs in one of my Q8400 computers after the update, as it was already pushing it to the limits in games this really affected it

This system literally 2x faster than mine ;-;

another best intro ever XD

you didnt add in the bios microcode patch, that is also a contributing factor you didnt account for.

If you can get Windows 7, do so

Windows 7 has same Problems now dude...It´s best to go back to XP, since it still runs leagues faster than on Windows 7/10.

Not from intel but, windows 8.1 pro runs whith less cpu usage then windows 10 pro. Im using a AMD A8 5600K at 3.6ghz stock. 8gb of DRD3 1333mhz dual chanel , a sapphire r9 280x vapor tri-x oc. And a 120gb SSD uv400

what kind of case is that?

can you link the blower you used to clean your pc

I have a 3770K @ 4.5Ghz and 16GB DDR3 at 1800 and i noticed a massive decrease in performance, low fps in games that were just fine before the windows update that addressed these flaws. Really annoys me because my system was still keep pace for gaming right up until then, i see anywhere for 10-30% less performance. For instance Overwatch would run (max settings 1080p) 130-150 FPS without issue, since the patch it sits 90-120 fps for the most part, but games like Fallout 4 took a bigger hit, pre patch i would maintain around 50-60 fps in downtown (with medium shadows and disabled god rays) and post patch i see as low as 25 fps with the same settings. (running a gtx 1060)

Jay, I have a launch day Ryzen 7 1800x with an Asus Crosshair Hero VI. With all of the updates, I lost my stable 4ghz overclock. However, I can now get my ram to run at 3200 mhz. My Cinebench scores did drop when I can get the 4 Ghz to run. I lost about 40 points. 1767 to 1729, but now that I had to remove the OC, I get 1554 at 3.6ghz instead of my old 1628.

Hey, what blower are you using to get the dust out?

Before spectre I could run Rise of the Tomb Raider. After the update, the game now crashes after trying to launch the campaign. While doing CAD and rendering everything now just takes longer i5-3570K all cores at 4.2ghz 16gb 1600 G.Skill Ripjaw X EVGA 1070 FTW Gaming ACX 3.0, 8GB Asus P8Z77-V LK

ohh Skunkworkz >) That Skunk Weed PC ::)

You could tell skunkworks is still jays baby by his grin in the intro

Thanks Jay! 28 core i9 or 32-core threadripper?

These will have performance-slow-down as well...Especially those will be affected, since it´s a Point of => the more cores you have, the more bandwidth you Need.Specte-mitigrations Limit your bandwidth and cut into it. This kills your multicore-performance!

I have a i3 840 or so (yes first gen) and it technicaly is dead now

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not really on this topic but im running win 7 and i use to play old 90's games like transport tycoon but a update stop all that and cant find a way to play my old games, just too bad that lindows didnt work yes lindows if anybody remembers that os

I have an i3 6th gen in my laptop that worked fine until all this nonsense hit the fan. Has a Samsung SSD in it and sometimes feels like it's running on a hard drive

Im so glad my last build was AMD. RYZEN FTW

AMD doesn´t have spectre-protection for anything right now...AMD is 2nd choice and currently not really tested against Spectre-flaws dude...xDSo: In short: You aren´t safe. AMD just isn´t tested yet. And many spectre-flaws weren´t "patched" for AMD-cpus yet. They simply don`t care.

Try this test with windows 7, I never used windows 8 or 8.1 long, because the performance was worse then windows 7. But i did see on a i7 3770k, i7 6700k, i7 8700k with a GTX 1060 6gb that the difference in performance from windows 7 compared to windows 10 it is a drop of 10 to 30 fps when in most A title games and with benchmarking like fire strike. I can run high to ultra under windows 7 were as to get the same fps in windows 10 i have to go to med to high settings. Second thing i see is that some hardware just will never get stable under windows 10 even if you bought the laptop or hardware that is suppose to run windows 10 or has it pre installed it just not stable, keeps crashing. Most of these were like z170 systems that had these problems were as the 1 gen older and the new z270 and 370 seem to work ok with windows 10 most of the time. Lets be honest windows 8 was a disaster just like 2000 and ME. Windows 8.1 was just a fix to get it to run a bit better, but it still never got to the same level of performance you get form a windows 7 ultra 64bit. So yeah, i wonder if you are willing to test this ! window 7 vs windows 10 gaming and cpu preformance.

the effects of spectre and meltdown were more commonly seen on hedt and xeon platforms rather than consumer chips, and more so in server and workstation based workflows, not general gaming and media. I would say build a little nas and see if there's a change in the performance of downloading a file to it, rendering it out and then reuploading it. I think that's where you'll see the most change.

The Truck joke was enough for me to click like.

on i5 6600k i get 30 point fewer like before a year

Bro hahaha..... one word..... "sponsorship".

Hmm, I wonder how big of a impact it would have on a i5-2500k, currently using Intel HD 3000 graphics on windows 7 home 64 bit, but should hopefully be able to get my mobo replaced next week or the week after to hopefully use my GTX 780 again & I might get a cheap ssd & try to upgrade to windows 10 using my 7 key if possible while I'm at it.

my 8600k is slower in cinebench (with higher clock than before) 4.9 Ghz a half year ago (on a 2 years running windows 10 partition) around 1215 CB now (even freshly installed windows) at 4.9 GHz i get 1150 and with 5.1 Ghz 1213 CB

Yes it does. And electron migration isn't just a voltage-thing.It happened to my Intel Q6600 as well which i oc'ed @ 3 Ghz Which i used 5 years 24/7 for gaming & business (2007-2017). And remember: That cpu ran @ 0.8 volts & was produced in 45nm. Today's 22/14nm cpus die much faster & will require more voltage in just 2 years. In 5 years your cpu will be dead if you use it heavily. After 1-2 years you'll just need more voltage.A Q6600 cpu from 2006 easily lasts 10 years for heavy gaming/encoding. A today's cpu wll only last 5 years, dude. An Intel Pentium 1 @300 mhz easily will run for~20 years dude.And a Z80-cpu @ 10 mhz will last ~100 years...Notice a pattern? More mhz = worse lifetime. More mhz means advanced electronmigration as well. And high temperature. That's because @ more mhz/ghz, your cpu's electrons flow faster.Faster flow = faster electronmigration, dude. @ 5Ghz your cpu will die within 3 years @ that voltage, assuming normal cooling & normal voltage of 1.2 or 1.3 volts. If your cpu dies in 5 years depends on your usage.Use it for office? Only 1x per week for 4 hours?It will last 10 years. But use it for heavy gaming & transcoding/encoding etc & e.g. use it for 8-10 hours per day & it'll fail within 5 years. After 4 years your rig will become instable.It happened to me & i found out it was the cpu now needing 1.0 volts instead of 0.85...And once i noticed this degradation, i stopped using that Q6600-processor. So remember: Q6600 is produced @ 45nm, runs only @ 3 Ghz (max, lol) & required only 0.85 volts. Compared to your 14nm-cpu running @ 5 Ghz, requiring 1.26 volts. lol.That's a difference like night & day.

+Walther Penne uhm you know that my cpu voltage is at 1.264v? I reinstalled windows yesterday through a driver problem. I have 1211cb now. Electron migration does not work in the way you explained it. Btw. 1.264v locked does not cause Electromigration in less than 10 years.

It might just be because your cpu has aged dude...It´s your own Problem if you oc your cpu to the max and then it´s your own stupidity if you don`t know what happens to a cpu, if you clock it to 5 Ghz and give it the necessary voltage to operate at that Speed.Don`t know what happens? Electrons migrate, dude. It kills your processor more and more.The same i noticed years ago on a Q6600-cpu which ran 24/7 @ 3 Ghz. After 5 years, it has become slower dude. Much slower.OC kills a cpu. And "Kililng" doesn´t necessarily mean it kills your cpu instantly aka, making it non-functioning.No sir. Killing also includes making your cpu slower and slower and slower.You can Google "transistor-aging" and aging happens much faster with MORE GHZ (that´s why no 10 Ghz processor exists. Because it´s Transistors would last 1 week and then stop functioning!). And it happens way faster with more heat.How much heat did your processor have all those years?And it also happens if you give it more voltage because of OC and/or undervolt it. Aging of a processor is especially noticeable in today´s Notebooks.In your case, your processor has become 200 Mhz slower. Which means you`ll get same Performance ONLY if you adjust the clock to 200 Mhz more.Like i said: Each mhz more kills yur cpu faster, since more electrons are flowing through it. So it will die faster now than 1 year when it ran with "only" 4.9 Ghz. now you´re above 5 Ghz. A typical x86-cpu of today won`t last much longer with it´s most Performance @ 5 Ghz then 3 years dude. Because it´s made in tiny structures.This means it´s cheap. This means you use LESSER parts to built it essentially.This means less materials can get carried away. This means advanced electronmigration kills your cpu pretty fast. While 10 years ago with that Q6600 even after 5 years i only had that performance-drop but it still worked well and fast with it´s Standard of 2.4 Ghz. Today´s it´s not that easy to just take 1 Ghz away and make it last much longer. Since it won´t.Your cpu will last much much lesser than a Q6600 from 10 years ago, which was built in 65/45nm.Your cpu is built at 16nm dude. More than 3x lesser materials. 3x lessre atom-structures. Many times smaller Transistors.

Hey Jay, I have known this for a long time, this is how I save cash on used parts, I have servers the dell R710 I paid 100 bucks for it, I just Maxed out the cpus with with used cpus, 8 of the 140 gig 15,000 rpm drives for 10 bucks each I found ebay used, and added A gpu, I have 64 gigs used ram in it, less than 400 bucks for 5,000 server in that config that is 5 years old

New drinking game, take a shot every time jay says I digress.

Hey we need more details here. Please post the microcode revisions loaded for both the before and after tests. You can make a custom BIOS with an older microcode revision and disable windows 10 spectre/meltdown patches too. Jay would you like me to email you etc about this, I have looked into this in some detail and can tell you how to easily do back to back comparisons without reinstalling the OS - just changing a couple of files and registry entries and rebooting

A question, did you update the firmware as well? Maybe I missed it but it appeared you just applied MS patches.